Stephanie,You conveniently forgot to mention how old you were when you had sex..... Got pregnant and gave birth to a baby girl out of wedlock! Your mother attempted to protect you with loving advice that turned out to be on point....(Not slighting your daughter in anyway[sic]) YOU are a hypocrit's [sic] hypocrite! I mean that in a loving way.... Don't get it twisted..... If you can dish it out... You should be able to take it! Sorry... You may be able to fool the unaware.... But you can't fool Jehovah! One other thing..... Eve was perfect (unequivocally brilliant just as her husband) when as you stated she was deceived by Satan.... You are six thousand years removed from her in imperfection and in lack of intelligence.... But all of a sudden YOU have it all figured out? (Pun intended) You have not been deceived by the same clever person who happens to be 1000 times more brilliant than Eve and 100,000 times more intelligent than us? Stephanie. ..... Your mother loves you dearly..... Much more than you are willing to admit at this time.... You are hurt.... You are lashing out.... You are still very young and have lots to learn.... Time heals..... Allow that to take place. You may never re-up your relationship with your family or Jehovah which is frightening within itself.... But you will realize The Truth as Eve did..... He said they would die and they are dead! Will that be your realization? I remember seeing you and your beautiful daughter at the 2009 or 10 convention in Fort Worth.... Happy to see that you were tending to your spiritual needs and that of your daughter..... Don't let your new husband ( Jehovah and your family have known you longer and much more so) and your unforgiving emotions prevent you from giving your two daughters a chance to make a choice as you have... Remember as you said to check consumer reports....or the blue book value.... Because the stance you have taken would not afford them the same luxury. ....I have NOT said any of this to offend you or start a debate..... Unless I have overlooked.... I don't see any opposing views..... And I hope you will not remove this one.
Well, since you decided to leave this heavy comment and "conveniently forgot" (to use your brilliant terminology) to stand by your ridiculous accusations by leaving your name I have chosen a fitting pseudonym for you: Coward.
So, Coward, you asked that I not remove your comment. Not only will I allow it to remain, I am posting it here for the world to see. Because, you see, I have nothing to hide. Clearly you do, though, or you would have been woman enough to lend credibility to your statements by telling me who you are.
So, let's break this down point by asinine point.
You conveniently forgot to mention how old you were when you had sex..... Got pregnant and gave birth to a baby girl out of wedlock!
I conveniently forgot? Are you serious? Never once have I denied the presence of, and absolute true beauty of my firstborn. Everybody is privy to this fact. I had sex for the first time at 18 and had my oldest daughter at age 19. Yes, as a legal ADULT. What exactly does my age have to do with it? The fact is this: I was completely unprepared for the world outside the Watch Tower cult. Witnesses children are told so many ridiculous things about sex, even questioning the normalcy of being attracted to the opposite sex. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here, but you failed--miserably.
Your mother attempted to protect you with loving advice that turned out to be on point....(Not slighting your daughter in anyway[sic])
Protect me from what, exactly? If you are saying she tried to protect me from having my daughter, then you are slighting her in every way. You are insulting her very existence.
And what loving advice do you claim to know she gave me? You mean loving advice to NOT go to college? Loving advice admonishing me that it was abnormal to be attracted to the opposite sex? And then "lovingly" trying to tell my daughter the same thing? Lovingly blindsiding me with elder visits every time I had an associate (even a FEMALE friend) that wasn't a Jehovah's Witness? Oh and after getting pregnant, again lovingly calling some elders that I had never even met without even telling me? Only to have them perversely quiz me about the positions we used, how many times I had an orgasm, how much heavy petting there was, and if he touched my breasts? Yeah. Okay.
Again, the fact is, Jehovah's Witness children are grossly uneducated, controlled to a fault, and not given any real world application for any doctrine. My mom's "loving advice" was to do exactly as the elders say. Even so much as to protect a molester from punishment. Wow, Coward--you really do know nothing.
YOU are a hypocrit's [sic] hypocrite! <--this statement is meaningless. when you follow it with--> I mean that in a loving way....
I'm a hypocrite? How, exactly? I have put my story and situation out there for the world to see, and put my name to it. Yes, I had a baby at 19, but what exactly does that prove? She's an amazing girl and she and I are as thick as thieves...What about that is hypocritical? It is hilarious that you can hurl such an absurd insinuation at me without even copping to who you are. Again, you're a coward, and by far, the only hypocrite in this situation.
Don't get it twisted..... If you can dish it out... You should be able to take it!
I am taking it. I have no problem with criticism, if there's actually a point being proven. In this case, there isn't.
Sorry... You may be able to fool the unaware.... But you can't fool Jehovah! You're right. I can't fool Jehovah. Because he doesn't exist. As far as fooling the unaware, again--what exactly are you referring to? The only thing you've mentioned thus far is having a child without being married. Everyone knows this already. They also know about the subsequent Judicial Committee I sat in at age 19, being questioned by perverts. Did you think you were exposing some sort of breaking news? Again--fail. I suppose you should be used to failures since the corporation to which you are enslaved regular fails in both prophecy and doctrine.
From where are you getting this information? Where does the bible say Eve was unequivocally brilliant? And furthermore, when have I ever said that Eve was deceived by Satan? You're kidding me, right?
I have said numerous times that:
a) The Adam and Eve story is nothing more than a myth
b) When you look closely at this myth, you find that Eve wasn't deceived at all. She was told the TRUTH by a serpent. Nowhere does Genesis say the serpent was Satan.
c) Eve was NOT intelligent. Neither she, nor Adam even knew right from wrong until they ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND BAD. They didn't know they were even naked. And what does Genesis 3:22 say? Your god says 'oh wow look at them, now they are just like US knowing good and bad (serpent told the truth). Let's banish them before they stretch out their hand and eat from the tree of life and try to live forever.' God never purposed for them to live forever anyway... UNLESS they ate from the tree of life. Get your facts straight, Coward. You're sounding more and more foolish with each sentence. Your elders would be so proud.
You are six thousand years removed from her in imperfection and in lack of intelligence.... But all of a sudden YOU have it all figured out? (Pun intended) First off, that wasn't a pun. At all. Boy, you're really proving the perils of foregoing an education, here.
Secondly--you honestly think that humans have only been around for 6,000 years? Well that explains a lot. I just about fell out of my chair laughing at this scatterbrained lie, nonsensically guised as a point. Homo sapiens (the scientific term for humans) first appeared on the scene approximately 200,000 years ago. You were so close! Only about 194,000 years off... All the while further emphasizing the point that Jehovah's Witnesses have no education whatsoever.
But to answer your question, yes I am more intelligent than Eve, because Eve didn't exist. And even if she did, I don't need a mythical tree to use my brain. I certainly don't need to eat a fruit in order to distinguish when I am being deceived, which is precisely why I left your cunningly fraudulent cult. Furthermore, just from an evolutionary standpoint alone, humans today are more intelligent than the first (though, your lack of mental acuity is causing me to question that theory), which is why we have had so many scientific and technological advances, such as the car you drive, and the computer you used to type your laughable diatribe.
You have not been deceived by the same clever person who happens to be 1000 times more brilliant than Eve and 100,000 times more intelligent than us? Once again, I don't believe your god Jehovah exists, which also means, I don't believe his boogeymen (Satan and his demons) do either. But it bears repeating--in the Adam and Eve myth, the serpent did not deceive Eve. It told the truth. Your god lied. So your equations equal exactly ZERO.
Stephanie. ..... Your mother loves you dearly..... Much more than you are willing to admit at this time....
My mother has no idea what love is. She is living under the Watch Tower mandated affection with conditions. Even without the addition of that cult in our lives, she didn't ever show me much love. Mostly because she didn't know how. She wasn't shown much love by her dad and was completely warped by her upbringing. As was I. I just decided to take matters into my own hands, instead of leaving it in those of an imaginary deity.
You are hurt.... You are lashing out....
Yes, I am hurt. Lashing out? No way. If you know me as well as you think you do, then you would know what I am capable as far as lashing out. What I am doing is giving people some knowledge they may not have. What I am doing is encouraging people to think for themselves! They have incredible brains... I am encouraging individuals to use them. It has nothing to do with getting back at anyone, and everything to do with helping myself and others.
You are still very young and have lots to learn.... Time heals..... Allow that to take place. You may never re-up your relationship with your family or Jehovah which is frightening within itself.
What is frightening is the fact that I have to abandon actual science, and go back to a destructive cult that believes that humanity started 6,000 years ago, and that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE, protects child molesters, and flip-flops on the generation not passing away-- in order to have a relationship with my family.
What is frightening is the fact that because I decided that your cult is not appropriate for my life, my family is commanded to shun me. Not by god, but by eight men in Brooklyn.
What is frightening is how long I was forced to be a part of a deceptive, thought pillaging organization even after I realized I didn't want anything to do with it.
The thought of not having a relationship with a make-believe man in the sky doesn't frighten me. What frightens me is seeing quotes like this in your November 15, 2013 Watchtower, page 20:
"Lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking." So no matter what instruction you receive from your masters, the Watch Tower Society--you must obey it. You must abandon all your education or knowledge and blindly obey. Even if you know it is unsound. Now that is frightening.
That's all you've got? "He said they would die and they are dead!" <cue uncontrollable laughter> In the myth, god told them in the day they ate the fruit, they would die. What a scare tactic. Sounds eerily similar to what the Watch Tower Society is telling you. However, did they die the day they ate the fruit? Nope. They became just like god. Eventually, they did die, though. Just like every other living thing does when it reaches the end of its life. However, god was a little off on his math... Turns out they lived another 930 years, give or take.
And yes, that will be my eventuality. I will die one day. So will you. The sad part is that you truly think it's feasible that you will be resurrected along with literally billions of other people worldwide that have died over the hundreds of thousands of centuries of human existence. It saddens me that people like you, my mother, and my brother are giving your one chance at life in controlled service to a corporation propagating such nonsense. You will spend the rest of your days awaiting a day that will never arrive. I am truly disheartened for you.
Wow, this is getting creepier and creepier. Well, I suppose I should be glad you're such a fan.
Anyway, I was at a convention with my mother in 2009, because I wanted to support HER, and really TRY to do something to improve our relationship. Sadly, I could barely sit through it without nausea and bile rising in my throat. You are speaking about things you absolutely do not know. Oh and by the way, who are you, Coward? Lots of judgment and damning going on here, with no name associated with it.
Happy to see that you were tending to your spiritual needs and that of your daughter.....
Again, you truly know nothing. I am guessing that you know my mother at least somewhat. If so, she will be the first to tell you that I have never bought into that religion. She uses the phrase "Stephanie never made the truth her own," regularly. You should ask her.
Leaving the Watch Tower cult was my tending to my spiritual needs and very much the needs of my daughter.
Don't let your new husband ( Jehovah and your family have known you longer and much more so) and your unforgiving emotions prevent you from giving your two daughters a chance to make a choice as you have... Remember as you said to check consumer reports....or the blue book value.... Because the stance you have taken would not afford them the same luxury.
Are you saying what I think you're saying? That I should afford my children the opportunity to become mentally enslaved to your cult? That I should give them the "luxury" of conditional love? That I should expose them to innumerable falsehoods? Wow, there was a lot of malarkey in your tirade, but this takes the cake.
My children were a huge part of the many reasons I left. I have a responsibility to teach them to use their minds, to use their intuition, and to gain actual knowledge. I have a duty to my children to ensure they believe they can do and be anything in the world. I would be doing my daughters a huge disservice raising them in that cult. A cult that literally hates women. A cult that teaches that females are less than men, and should respect and obey only those who possess penises. Get out of here. Just the very thought of it sickens me.
My husband and I are teaching our children how to research, and come to their own conclusions. My oldest just did an entire research paper about the numerous gods and deities that predate Jesus, but have exactly identical stories surrounding their births and lives as your dumbed-down Americanized fictional hero--Jesus. My children are not commanded to believe this or that--or else. They are afforded the opportunity to think for themselves. Which is all I've ever wanted for myself, and for those I love.
I have NOT said any of this to offend you or start a debate.
Wow, for a supposed Christian, you really lie a lot. You definitely said these things to offend me. And if you know me as well as you claim, then you definitely would know the result....
Unless I have overlooked.... I don't see any opposing views..... And I hope you will not remove this one.
You didn't look hard enough. There are definitely opposing views. I welcome them. Can you say the same? I doubt it.
The summary is this: You came to my blog and left a long, very offensive comment. You claim to know me, but just like the rest of your Jehovah's Witness brethren, remained anonymous. Why? I know exactly why. It's because you are scared of being called out by your owners, the elders. You're specifically commanded to stay off of any other websites that criticize the cult, and you went against your orders. You're hiding behind the veil of anonymity, not because you are afraid of disappointing your god...your god reads hearts right? He knew you were going to write that comment before you typed the first word. You've already sinned with him, and that's okay with you. What you're really afraid of is sinning against your true masters. The Watch Tower Society. You're sad in the most duplicitous way. You're spineless.
If not, then leave your name. It's only fair. You can spout all these fallacies here, at least stand by them. If you truly believe what you wrote here, then make it credible. Tell me who you are, and how you know me. I'll even sweeten the deal. You don't even have to leave your name here. If you know me, then text me who you are. Email me. I'm sure you have my contact information, or can obtain it from my mother. Tell me who you are privately so your rulers won't know. It's clearly the men you're worried about, not god. So I challenge you to that. I doubt you will, though. As I said before, you are just like every other witness. No backbone. You make all kinds of strong statements but can't even back it up enough to put your name next to your beliefs. Prove me wrong. I dare you. Coward.